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He Died For Everyone
For each and every person that is, ever has been, and ever will be on this Earth.
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That is beautiful Kim!
He did not die for all. He only paid the price for the sins of the elect. If he died for everyone, no one would be in Hell. He had the capacity to die for all but he chose to die for the elect and have some perish in Hell to satisfy His perfect justice.
Monergism
He took upon himself the sins of all mankind – not of the elect. You come unto the Father through him – through his sacrifice and atonement for our sins. If Jesus did not die for the sins of all, then accepting or rejecting Christ is foreordained. To suppose he died for an elect few implies a selfish Son of God that I cannot imagine.
Hey, I am only repeating what the Bible actually says. And it does say it is foreordained.
Good grief, CalvinistG. God so loved the WORLD that he gave his one and only son (John 3:16). God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD to himself, not counting men’s sins against them. (II Cor. 5:20) He died for ALL, that men may no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again (II Cor. 5:15).
Face it, the doctrine of limited atonement is unbiblical. What comfort it is to proclaim to every sinner that Christ died for you–receive this good news and believe it!
You might want to look at the orignal for the meaning of world. It may give you comnfort, but that does not make it truth.
Charlyg, first of all your link doesn’t work, and second of all, not everyone believes as you do or as I do. I happen to believe He died for all. You think that means we have to do something which implies works. The only thing we have to do is accept the gift so freely given. “For by grace are we saved through faith; and that not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.” We know that verse and we know what it means, but somehow picturing God as Hitler lining souls to the left and the right to be saved and not saved, is something I can’t swallow now, when you and I discussed it in depth, or ever.
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Well, if God ordains everything, then He ordained that I, Jeanette, C.S. Lewis, and countless others would reject that very concept of predestination, and still be Christians (unless you really want to posit that Lewis wasn’t a Christian?). Moreover, He ordained that CharlyG would be offended (although, technically, it wouldn’t be CharlyG who’s offended, but rather, he’s simply playing his role, unwittingly, by merely puppeting what he’s ordained to do).
So, on the one hand, it’s logically inconsistent for CharlyG to be upset with us if God truly ordains everything. On the other hand, if God ordains all, then my writing this begs the point (and I must have been ordained to do so).
Silly notion, determinism. Now, do I believe it’s silly because God gave me a brain and truly free will to choose or reject Him, or because God, in His confusing determinism, ordained that I find His very determism silly?
I suppose we’ll all know soon enough, once we face Him. In the meantime, I’ll continue finding Calvinism objectionable and arrogant.
BTW, I don’t believe in universalism, either, and I’m not sure that’s what Jeanette’s saying. To say that Christ died for all simply means He died to *offer* salvation freely to all, not that He forces on any or all.
Calvinists have God forcing salvation on some; universalists have God forcing it on all. Hardcore Armenians swing to the other extreme. As with most things, I imagine the truth is in the middle – where it’s God’s grace (after all, none of us could have *forced* Christ to come and die for us), but part of His unimaginable Grace is to allow us to choose.
The Bible uses the analogy of Husband and Wife, among many, to illustrate our relationship with God. Look at it this way – only the man can initiate, but if he truly loves the woman (rather than merely wants her), then he allows her to choose.
In the same way, only God can initiate (which He did, for all), but He allows us to choose.
Happy Easter, All!