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LWV Candidate’s Forum – Grayslake

Updated with video – see below:

Tonight we went to the League of Women Voters Candidate’s Forum at Grayslake Central High School. The auditorium was  packed and people had to have tickets to get in. Tickets were limited to 400. We arrived about 20 minutes before tickets were due to be handed out and when we got there the line went around the side of the building.

A bit later someone came by with tickets and handed them out to people in line. Shortly after that the line started moving and we were able to go inside. It took a while for all the people to get into the auditorium and be seated. Once that happened candidates for Illinois’ 8th Congressional District Melissa Bean (incumbent D) and Bill Scheurer (Green) came onstage. There was a smattering of applause.  Then Joe Walsh (R) walked out and the crowd went wild.

Students from Grayslake Central High School’s AP Government class planned and sponsored the debate. They served as timers and questioners, ushers and ticket takers. I commend the students and their teachers for a well run program.

The woman from the League of Women Voters moderated and before the debate got underway she told us the rules. No cameras, no talking, questions will be written down on index cards and a student will take the card to the teachers who will vet the cards for relevance, tone, and appropriateness. Then the question might be read out by one of the questioners on stage. Just before the start, someone in the audience asked if the Pledge of Allegiance would be said (there was a flag on stage). The woman from the LWV said no. It wasn’t something that was done. Some members of the audience then stood and started saying the Pledge. Pretty much the rest of the audience then rose and said the Pledge as well.

Update video: You can actually hear my voice saying the Pledge near the end of the video. I was right next to the camera this was filmed from.

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Back to the regular post:

The woman from the LWV was upset. She said that the audience had disrespected her. She said she was “forced” to say the Pledge and that it had “obviously been planned”. As if we all decided in line to say the Pledge of Allegiance anyway if refused. I hadn’t even thought that the Pledge might not be said. This was a political candidate’s forum and the three candidates on stage were hoping to be elected to represent us in the Federal Government. Saying the Pledge of Allegiance at a political event in America should be a no-brainer.

I live-tweeted the event and reproduce the tweets below the fold (later comments in italics):

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There wasn’t supposed to be the pledge, audience members spontaneously. League rep was upset and thought it was planned. Wrong.

League rep gave bean extra time because audience could be heard on stage. (People were mumbling through Melissa Bean’s introductory statement. Apparently the mumbling could be heard from the stage. Melissa Bean read her introductory statement from a piece of paper – no teleprompters in the auditorium :) )

Bean thinks dept of ed is great.

Bean proud of record on tax cuts.

Health care: right or privilege? Bean voted for obamacare said she was voting as constituents wanted. Wrong!!!!!

Beam is spouting Obama talking points. Brought up the breast cancer/acne anecdote that’s been debunked

Cap & trade bean proud of voting for it.

Bean proud of votes for cap and trade. Not a single business in il8th would be hit by cap she says.

Cap &trade and obamacare will bankrupt us Melissa.

We need to cut spending not just you paygo. (Melissa Bean said that she’d voted against some billions in pork. She said paygo was the way to go. Of course she said nothing about how Congress gets around its paygo rule by declaring everything emergency spending. Hell, since there still isn’t a budget there might not be an end to it.)

Melissa Bean keeps asking to have questions repeated. Recovery act funding to stabilize state finances would help education.

College costs wouldn’t be so high if the gov’t hadn’t gotten so involved & guaranteeing loans. (this was my comment)

Term limits: Bean says no term limits.

Closing statements were like the opening statements. Melissa Bean spouted talking points. Joe Walsh was last and when he finished the crowd went wild.

More at Tuesday After!

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  • T Wynn

    Very accurate review of the “Forum”. I was in the third row with my neighbor and we noted after the event that of the ten questions chosen to ask the candidates three concerned the topic of “Education”. We suspected this was no coincidence with teachers screening the questions. The audience was asked to fill out 3 X 5 cards with our questions as we waited for the event to begin. The four students asking the questions were already seated on the stage and the event began without a single soul handing over any audience cards to the students. Guess they already had enough without our input! So this event was a bit “staged”! Understand why Bean doesn’t actually debate! Joe Walsh was amazing!

    • kimsch

      I was in the back row at the entrance level next to the engineer’s box. My husband wrote a question out and I held it up and it was taken and I also didn’t see anyone bring any cards to the stage. It seems you had a better view of that.

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  • William O. B’Livion

    Did she *actually* say “disrespected”?

    • kimsch

      Yes, she did say “disrespected”.

  • http://technicalities.mu.nu Teresa

    I used to live in that district (we moved 5 years ago). I remember the first time Bean ran for office and lost. I read her political mailings and knew she’d be a disaster. I see she lived all the way down to my worst expectations. While the above post doesn’t surprise me, it does make me sad.

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  • Monika

    Right on! The only thing I have to add is that Joe Walsh kicked butt!

    Early voting in IL is through Oct 28; weekdays 9-4:30, Saturday 9-2.

  • Mannie

    Good for the patriots in the audience, and shame on the woman from the League of Women Voters. She wasn’t forced to say anything. She was only obligated, out of respect for the Pledge, to stand and shut up.

    I’m surprised she wasn’t booed when she chastised the crowd. They had more respect than she had.

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  • JOE PTAK

    My name is Joe Ptak and I live in Island Lake, Illinois. I attended the Joe Walsh-Melissa Bean “forum” and I WAS THE INDIVIDUAL who stood up and wanted to know why the pledge of allegiance was not going to be recited…I thought it might have been an oversight. I was flabbergasted and stunned to hear the LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS moderator say to me, and the audience, that it was never part of their program at these events and will not allowed.

    Please keep in mind that this “forum” was organized in Grayslake High School for the benefit of the students, who were asking the questions. Furthermore, there were numerous students present (gaining extra credit) as well as 350 adults and media who packed the auditorium.

    I served in the USAFR’s for ten (10) years and there were many veterans in attendance. I was so proud when the audience rose up one by one, then in mass to recite the pledge of allegiance with loud and heavy emphasis on the words LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. The moderator then had the gall to admonish the audience and for “disrespecting her”…my wife told me if that woman did not shut up she was going to get her “Brooklyn up” (being from NY).

    I happen to be an Hispanic immigrant from Peru, South America, who was brought to this great country by my parents, along with three other siblings in 1960, when I was eight years old. I was raised in Chicago, have seen, and experienced a lot in this world. People are literary dying each day for just the OPPORTUNITY to live in this great land I call my home.

    There are ignorant people in this land who do not have the slightest idea, nor understand, what it means to be an AMERICAN. Our Liberty, Freedom of Speech and the Press are never guaranteed and we must always fight to maintain them. I think our students in attendance witnessed that first hand and gained a lot of extra credit for themselves.

    • RightWink

      May God Bless you, Mr. Ptak. Very well done!

      I had attended a Cub Scout regional Derby Car race where they did not recite the Pledge, until after I brought it up. I am an immigrant US citizen also. The American Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord’s Daily Prayer (Our Father, Who art in Heaven) should be recited by everyone at least once daily.

  • http://www.conservativepup.com Conservative Pup

    Great post, and I LOVE the video! Just saw it posted on FB, and wanted to put it on my blog. Was doing some more research and found you! This is great; I am so proud of y’all for standing up for America and our traditions. What a ridiculous thing, for her to say “no” when asked about the pledge. Anyone with a lick of sense would have had simply said ‘yes, let’s do that now.’ What a typical silly tone-deaf lib, and again, I am so proud of all of you for showing her that she wasn’t REALLY in control. WE THE PEOPLE are.

    Thank you for the write-up and for the stand-up. I salute you all. Linking to this.

  • Jenn4Freedom

    I am so very glad to see that more & more great people are rising up anyway & making their freedom of speech RIGHTS known. Even classy students knew better. Kudos to all of you PATRIOTS- Pauls & Paulette Reveres, as Mark Levin Likes to tort on his radio program!! You would LOVE his show. He is all about common sense & patriotism…No, I am not advertising, I am simply saying what is on my mind. Freedom of speech & all. – Gee I hope I don’t get chastized by that “evil” woman! Lol

  • Monika

    “Illinois’ top League of Women Voters official said “phony patriotism” is driving criticism over a moderator’s reaction when she was asked if the Pledge of Allegiance would be recited before an 8th Congressional District debate this week…”

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20101022/news/710239858/

    • kimsch

      Thank you for posting this link.

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  • Clifford

    What did you expect? The only Pledge that LWV lady likely makes is to NPR.

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  • enna

    I’m just astounded dems are really going out in the open. They do not respect this country. Just look at the president at one of his public affairs (singing the national anthem) — everyone placed their right hand on their bossoms except Obama. I don’t understand it. I was born outside the USA and have not seen this kind of disrespect to one’s country! More so to a country which has given so much to its citizens.

  • Michael B

    When questioned later about the pledge, she did not want to talk about it.. then Jeff steps in..
    http://www.foundingbloggers.com/wordpress/2010/10/breaking-video-rebel-pundit-confronts-moderator-over-pledge-of-allegiance-flap/

    So Jeff is an AP government teacher, the LWV moderator talks about being disrespected and forced to recite the pledge. when for years they would make sure to tell us we could choose to sit and be quiet during recital of the pledge. Do we really want people like this teaching our kids about government and politics?

    if anyone is interested heres contact info for Greyslake North campus and Jeff Schagrin, Jeff Social Studies jschagrin@d127.org 5721

  • Tom S.

    I was the Marine who started saying the Pledge SPONTANEOUSLY after the Nazi liberal rep. of the LWV (Kathy Tate-Bradish) tried to stop us. After losing frineds that I fought with in Viet Nam; there was no way that this Obama zombie was going to stop me from saying the pledge. Even if no one else had joined in, I would have said it alone and very loud.

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